Learning about Dr. Bruce Perry’s Neurosequential Model

Dr. Bruce Perry M.D., Ph.D’s Neurosequential Model on the Intentional Clinician Podcast

Learning about Dr. Bruce Perry, M.D., Ph.D’s Neurosequential Model with Randy Webb, LPC, LMHC [Episode 23 of the Intentional Clinician Podcast]

Have you heard of the Neurosequential Model that has been created by Dr. Bruce Perry M.D., Ph. D.? It sounds complicated, but it is actually easier to understand that one may think. Dr. Bruce Perry has worked for years to distill his immense body of research and writings into information that the average person can use for themselves and their family. If you want to know more about it, Dr. Bruce Perry hosts online trainings and he has written several readable books, that can help you bring a trauma-informed approach, which incorporates that latest research on neurobiology into your life, your family, and your community.

Paul Krauss MA LPC recently interviewed Randy Webb MA MC LPC LMHC on The Intentional Clinician podcast, where they discussed the Neurosequential Model as well as its implications for use in healthcare, schools, families, and communities.

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During the podcast, Paul and Randy discuss further applications for the Neurosequential Model as well as the emerging research on trauma, stress, and the human nervous system—and how these can be applied to the fields of psychotherapy, health care in general, education, the justice system, government policy, and more. Currently, there is large gap in knowledge between the status quo of treatment and Trauma-Informed Care, and this gap is often found throughout the healthcare and educational systems. Unfortunately, rigid viewpoints that ignore scientific evidence or don’t want to hear about it have caused cultural barriers that may actually be causing individuals who need Trauma-Informed Care to receive “Treatment as usual” which, at the least, may not be as effective, and at the worst, may further the problems and behaviors as well as label the person in treatment.  Randy and Paul continue to discuss the need to spread the emerging research of neurobiology and the human nervous system and how doing so could cause a multitude of other treatment ideas and promote methods that could help people live more fulfilling lives.

Also discussed in the podcast: The work of Bert Powell MA, Human Developmental Stages, Emotional Regulation, Brain Organization, Protective Factors, Adverse Childhood Experiences Study, Early Childhood Developmental Trauma, Nervous System Development, Environment and Community, Brain Structure, Attachment, Empathy, Mirror Neurons, Counseling, Peter Levine Ph.D., Counseling Research, Scott Miller Ph.D., The Child Trauma Academy, Therapeutic Group Homes, Trauma Informed Care, Violence, Stress, Working with Caregivers, Dosages of Change and Stress, Strength-Based Approach versus Pointing out Pathologies, The Justice System, Education System, the limits of the diagnostic system, the limits of behaviorism, root causes of acting out, Dissociation, Explosive Behaviors, Adaptive Information Processing Model, Human Relationships, Diversity, Uniting the Opposites and more.

Randy Webb MA MC LPC LMHC works in Phoenix, AZ as a Private Practice Counselor, TRN/ HAP EMDR Facilitator, and a learning consultant for a large behavioral health organization in Maricopa County Arizona.

Paul Krauss MA LPC is the Clinical Director of Health for Life Counseling Grand Rapids, home of The Trauma-Informed Counseling Center of Grand Rapids. Paul is also a Private Practice Psychotherapist, host of the Intentional Clinician podcast, Behavioral Health Consultant, Clinical Trainer, and Counseling Supervisor.  Paul travels to train clinicians in multiple states. Paul is the creator of the National Violence Prevention Hotline (in progress)  as well as the Intentional Clinician Training Program for Counselors. Questions? Call the office at 616-200-4433.

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Original music:
”Shades of Currency” [Instrumental] from Archetypes by PAWL

“Smaller Rivers” from Sam Prekop by Sam Prekop
“A Cloud to the Back” from Sam Prekop by Sam Prekop
“Any Day” from Any Day by The Sea and Cake

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