Religious Trauma, Healthy Spirituality, and the Psychology of Deconstruction w/ Jef Caine

Ep 107 the Intentional Clinician

[Episode 107 of The Intentional Clinician Podcast]

The difficult and contentious issues of religious trauma, healthy spirituality, and the psychology of deconstruction are tackled by Paul Krauss MA LPC and Jef Caine. Paul and Jef examine the greater zeitgeist of religion and spirituality in the culture, as well as their personal experiences with Christianity and other religions, in this 2.5-hour long-form episode. Paul and Jef delve deeply into the deconstruction of Christian faith and theology, as well as a variety of other issues (mentioned below). This is an episode you should take the time to listen to.

Jef Caine is a skeptic and a host of the podcast: The Forest and the Trees (A Pastor and a Skeptic Read the Bible Together. It’s not as boring as it sounds.) Jef is also an amazing graphic designer and former megachurch employee and evangelical.

  • All Books, Resources, and Articles mentioned available here.
  • Deconstruction: a method of critical analysis of philosophical and literary language which emphasizes the internal workings of language and conceptual systems, the relational quality of meaning, and the assumptions implicit in forms of expression.

Also Discussed: Growing up with the Christian Faith, Deconstructing one’s experience, Losing the Christian Faith, The Forest and the Trees Podcast, Sapiens (Book), Humans seek meaning, Reason & Logic, Age of Enlightenment, Scientific Method, History of the Christian Church, Violence, Sacred Texts, Reinterpretation of Texts, Biblical Literal-ism versus Metaphor, Creationism, Evolution, Monotheism, Homo-sapiens, Neanderthals, Anthropology, Storytelling, What is a Safe Community, What is Religious Trauma, Power, Control, Abuse of Power, Relationship Advice, Secular Therapy versus Christian “therapy”, Jesus’ teaching, Christianity’s opinions on divorce, marriage, Evangelicals, LGBTQIA issues and Christianity, How therapy works versus “telling people what to do”, a power stance from a religions, prayer rooms, Christian therapists, Deconstructionism, the big questions: Why are we here? What are we doing?, Joseph Campbell, Tribal rituals, Mythology, hedonism, what truly satisfies people, What is practicing Spirituality, Alcoholics Anonymous, Higher Power, Interfaith, What is Hell, Tribalism, Us versus Them, God is Love, Competing Religions, Nationalism, Cults, Dehumanizing others, God is an idea, Book Clubs, Historical Context, Hermeneutics, Spiritual Practice versus co-opting religion for power, cherry picking versus and issues, historical contexts of the Bible, King James Version, Concordant Version of the Bible, Cultural Context, Learning from the stories, David & Goliath, The Good Samaritan, “The one truth”, heretics, “lost souls”, Hell, Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus, Jonathan Edwards, the religious right, yes we talk about Trump, inner work, Transcendental Meditation, Contemplative Prayer, rites of passage, ritual sacrifice, cultism, selling something, Spiritual Bypassing, Healthy Spirituality, Self Reflection, Colonization, St. Francis of Assisi, Healthy Spiritual Practices, Open-minded Interpretations, Introspection, Dogma, Critical Thinking, Synchronicity, Loving Others, and more!       

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Paul Krauss MA LPC is the Clinical Director of Health for Life Counseling Grand Rapids, home of The Trauma-Informed Counseling Center of Grand Rapids. Paul is also a Private Practice Psychotherapist, an Approved EMDRIA Consultant , host of the Intentional Clinician podcast, Behavioral Health Consultant, Clinical Trainer, and Counseling Supervisor. Paul is now offering consulting for a few individuals and organizations. Paul is the creator of the National Violence Prevention Hotline (in progress) as well as the Intentional Clinician Training Program for Counselors. Paul has been quoted in the Washington PostNBC NewsWired Magazine, and Counseling Today. Questions? Call the office at 616-200-4433.

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Original Music:

”Alright” from the forthcoming album Mystic by PAWL (Spotify)

“My Sweet Lord” from All Things Must Pass by George Harrison (Spotify)

“Myth” from Bloom by Beach House (Spotify)

“Satanist” from The Record by Boygenius (Spotify)

“Gotta Serve Somebody” from San Francisco 1980 by Bob Dylan (Spotify)

“Get Up, Stand Up” from Burnin’ by Bob Marley and The Wailers (Spotify)

“Pure Comedy” from Pure Comedy by Father John Misty (Spotify)

“Chocolate Jesus” from Mule Variations by Tom Waits (Spotify)

“Awaiting On You All” from All Things Must Pass by George Harrison (Spotify)

“Whatever Happened to Paul Sand” from Reggae Film Star by Damian Jurado (Bandcamp)

“Portrait of God” from Smalltown Stardust by King Tuff (Spotify)

“Say God” from Say God by Daniel Higgs (Spotify)

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